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Seoul Dynasty: A Playoff Primer

The Guangzhou Charge came into the wildcard tournament as the hottest team in the league, then they got dismantled by the Seoul Dynasty. The Dynasty had a very good Stage 1, but haven’t lived up to that same level of play in any other stage this year. Seoul looks revitalized with Sigma and we’re seeing them play at their peak.

That aside, the Titans have a 3-0 record against the Dynasty this year with a record of 10-1 in map score. Let’s go to the maps to see how this match will play out – remember that this is format is first to four wins with loser choosing the next map, so they won’t only get their best maps.

Titans RecordTitans W%Dynasty RecordDynasty W%
Lijiang Tower7-278%4-450%

This looks good for the Titans. Lijiang Tower and Ilios are the Titans 2 best Control maps. They may be able to dodge Busan, but the biggest factor is Oasis being out of the map pool. Oasis is the only control map that the Dynasty are elite on (7-1). Keep the fights to Ilios or Lijiang Tower and the Titans can walk away with wins on the control maps. It’s also worth noting that despite the very mediocre numbers, control is the best map type for the Dynasty.

Titans RecordTitans W%Dynasty RecordDynasty W%

Here’s where things may start to go off the rails for the Dynasty. Assault is the Titans worst map type, but the map pool consists of their three best places to play. Horizon: Lunar Colony is the Dynasty’s best Assault map, but they would have benefited from having Paris in the rotation.

Titans RecordTitans W%Dynasty RecordDynasty W%
King’s Row11-0100%3-443%

Well that doesn’t look very fair for the Dynasty. Not only is Hybrid the Titans best map type, but two of the maps house perfect records this year. This wouldn’t be a Titans blog without mentioning Numbani loss-free going back to 2017, even Eichenwalde is a wash.

Titans RecordTitans W%Dynasty RecordDynasty W%
Watchpoint: Gibraltar5-183%3-175%

The Dynasty are an awful team on Escort. Watchpoint: Gibraltar is the only map that they have more than a 50% winrate on. The Titans again have 3/4 of their best Escort maps in the map pool but this is the Dynasty’s worst map type by a lot. Rialto is the only map they lost to the Charge on, during their 6 map 4-1 win.

Judging by the numbers, the Titans should make it a clean 4-0 among matches with the Dynasty this year. There are too many one off maps where the Dynasty have a fighting chance though. Due to the loser choosing, they will likely take a map or two. My best guess would be a 4-1 win for the Titans, but the Dynasty, led by Fleta, are a dangerous looking team. The Titans can’t afford to start slow.

Why the Titans will Beat the Dynasty: A Map Analysis

By the end of Stage 2, the Titans will have played the Seoul Dynasty three times and if the remainder of the OWL stage goes how we expect it to on the Ready Set Pwn discord, there’s a good chance the Titans will play the Dynasty in the playoffs again. It’s a good thing the Titans have performed really, really well against the Dynasty historically.

The Dynasty have had a mixed stage, partially due to their very hard schedule. Seoul has lost to the Gladiators, the Titans, and are about to play the Titans again. Fortunately for them, all they had to do was beat the teams they had to beat and they will make the playoffs, and as expected, it comes down to the last game of the stage where the Dynasty will take on the Spark. That’s getting a little ahead of ourselves though, let’s start with if they have a chance against the Vancouver Titans, first.

xDynastyTitansDynasty All YearTitans All Year
Control Win %71%80%56%78%

Statistically, this is pretty close. Before the stage started, I surmised that this could be the Titans hardest match of the stage, and so far it looks like it might be. In addition, the Dynasty are in a win-and-in situation, where either one of their final two matches won would likely involve a playoff appearance, so expect their best.

xDynastyTitansDynasty All YearTitans All Year
Assault Win %40%100%54%87%
Anubis0-11-0 2 – 2 – 14-2

Oh, maybe I spoke a little too soon. This one is considerably less close, and if the Dynasty are going to take this match, they’ll need to take one of these middle matches where the Titans excel.

xDynastyTitansDynasty All YearTitans All Year
Hybrid Win %60%100%64%94%
Blizzard World1-01-01-01-0

Again, less close, but still better. The Dynasty is a pretty underrated team, they’ve had some good showings the teams they should beat and only lost to teams ahead of them in the standings. They’re a very solid team and they should be aknowleged for more than just upsetting NYXL in the playoffs, they have a lot of good players and can roster two above average teams.

xDynastyTitansDynasty All YearTitans All Year
Escort Win %80%80%57%73%

This match should be pretty tense the whole way through, the games will be close and the wins will be hard fought for. With the Titans good record of play against the Dynasty (2-0 in matches, 7-1 in maps) it’s hard not to give them the edge here, but it’ll be a tough series for both teams, hopefully the Dynasty can recover for their next day match against the Spark, leading to another great Titans/Dynasty playoff first round matchup.

The official RSP prediction: 3-1 Titans, either they go up 3-0 and donate Junkertown, or the Dynasty wrestle away the Control map and the Titans put it in another gear and take the win on Junkertown, they did win here with Hooreg EMPing a wall, after all.

Stage 2 Week 5 Preview: Defiant and Dynasty

While the OWL viewers had fun taking in the first-ever Homestand weekend, the Vancouver Titans were… well, I don’t know what. Not playing in official games, that’s for sure.

So having sat idle, they now get to finish out the Stage with a 2-game week, which pits them first against the Toronto Defiant and then the third-time-rematch against the Seoul Dynasty. And while the Titans have already locked in a spot in the playoffs, the results here will determine their final seed, which is very much not locked in.

If the match against Toronto had taken place during Stage 1, it would have been a marquee game. But since starting out 5-2 and tying for 3rd seed, the Defiant have fallen off a proverbial cliff. Their record this stage is a miserable 1-4, which it’s hard to argue isn’t deserved. Their falloff in form was obscured by a week 1 in which they beat the Washington Justice and lost a close 3-2 against the Boston Uprising–but since then they’ve lost three more matches in a row and looked poor doing it.

I must admit, I’m surprised by the Defiant. On seeing the roster, I thought they would do well in a dive meta and poorly in a 3/3. Instead, they managed to do well during the first stage, when 3/3 was the only comp you could run, and their falloff in form has corresponded to a meta shift which has allowed DPS compositions to exist again.

That in mind, I can’t help but think about the one change in personnel the team has made since Stage 1. Everyone’s favorite OWL speedrunner IM37, who went from unsigned to starting roster in something like two weeks, replaced Stellar as the team’s hitscan DPS. But because 3/3 is still often necessary, he has spent much of his time on Brigitte, where he has been less than impressive. The other change has involved Yakpung spending more time on Winston, but considering that was his preferred hero during his time in Korea, I’m skeptical that this change would be responsible for a negative trend in performance.

The other members of the team have stayed the same: Ivy is the projectile DPS and Zarya player who is capable but not exceptional on either role; Envy is a high-tier Dva; Neko is a solid Ana but nothing to write home about on Zenyatta; Roky is a very solid main healer whatever form that takes. That is to say, this isn’t a roster that can beat you with its star power. Instead, it needs to win with superior coordination. That’s been lacking both in the specific Brigitte/Main Tank relationship, and between the team as a whole. The shotcalling has looked timid, and the team’s ability to stay grouped has been a consistent issue. Strong opponents like the Shock and Excelsior have torn them apart due to this tendency, but even relatively weaker opponents like Philadelphia have been able to execute a winning strategy in the same manner.

If there’s one thing the Titans excel at, it’s coordination. Whether it’s moving in lockstep during a standard 3/3 engage, or somehow working together in a chaotic fight where everyone is split, Vancouver is somehow always on the same page.

This is going to be a near-repeat of the Defiant vs. Shock match, with the Titans playing the part of the 4-0 victors.

Later in the week, it’ll be time to once again take down the Seoul Dynasty. After a 4-0 win in the Stage 1 Semifinals, the Dynasty made noises about getting revenge during Week 2. Instead, Vancouver utterly dominated them for three maps, then checked out early on Rialto, which accounts for the final 3-1 scoreline.

There’s two ways to interpret what’s happened since then, the right one and the wrong one. The wrong one is to point out that Seoul have won 3 in a row, setting themselves up for another playoff berth. The right way is to note that the Dynasty have lost two matches this stage, suffering a 3-2 defeat at the hands of the Gladiators and the aforementioned 3-1 pummeling from the Titans. Their 3 victories, meanwhile, include one impressive 4-0 against the Fuel, one “do you want a cookie?” victory over the Outlaws, and a nailbiting 3-2 victory over… the Los Angeles Valiant.

In other words, Seoul is 3-2 with one actually impressive victory, and would you look at that, do you know who else beat the Fuel 4-0? That’s right, it’s the Titans. Trying to argue in favor of Seoul based on results comes down to pointing out that the Titans lost a map against the Outlaws, which is a long way from convincing.

The Dynasty aren’t a bad team–far from it. But they’re just not on the same level as Vancouver. This is Seoul’s third bite at the apple, and I expect it to go much like the first two.

The Titans will dominate 3 maps, then get bored, and Bumper will set a record for most time spent emoting in a match en route to a 3-1 victory.

Episode 20 – GOATs Until You Can’t

Joining Chris to talk about the Vancouver Titans is co-host Omni. They pick apart the Vancouver Titans wins over the Seoul Dynasty & Houston Outlaws, address if the Outlaws gave either a quick scare, and begin looking ahead to the possible placement for the Stage 2 playoffs. Plus there’s chatter about the new Overwatch archives event, Storm Rising, a few patch updates and the Dallas Homestand next weekend!

Titans vs. Dynasty Postgame

In a playoff rematch, the Titans demonstrated (as if it needed to be) that their 4-0 victory in the Stage 1 Semifinals was no fluke. Once again, they easily dispatched the Seoul Dynasty, setting 2 speedrun times in the process.

Map 1: Busan

It appears that Stitch’s appearance last week was a function of the Titans not viewing the Spark as a serious threat, as they brought in Seominsoo for this match and kept him in for the entire game. Seoul opened with a standard 3/3, and Titans did the same but with Twilight on Ana instead of Zen. This is a strategy that served them well for a long time in Korean Contenders, and in the unsettled meta of today they seem to be returning to it. The biotic grenade is extremely powerful against a healing-centered composition, and Twilight is a master at placing that ability in the best areas. That was the story of City Center, in which Vancouver built to 99% before Twilight was picked and Seoul got a last-gasp capture. No worries, the Titans returned, built a grav, Jjanu dropped a bomb which killed nearly everyone, and Titans took the first control point.

On Mecha Base, Seominsoo roasted everyone to death and the Titans demonstrated exquisite coordination in staggering baby Dvas, combining a charge-without-kill and a sleep dart to get 20% capture percentage for free. The Titans built to 81%, but then the point started flipping back and forth. The Titans managed the round better, and entered the final fight with an ult advantage that they emphatically converted in the form of another Jjanu bomb. Without too much fuss, the Titans took the series lead.

Titans 1 : Dynasty 0

Map 2: Anubis

Vancouver clearly enjoyed their experience speedrunning against Hangzhou, so they decided to do it again on Anubis. Entering on the left-hand side, they ran directly into Marve1 on Winston, who had played on control and remained in the game instead of being replaced by Fissure. He was stunned and melted down instantly, putting Seoul in a nearly impossible position and giving the Titans a nearly free capture on Point A. Rushing to B, Seominsoo outdueled Fits on Zarya, and the Dynasty lacked the damage output to evict Vancouver from the point. A 6:18 finish was the second-fastest time ever on that map, and put Seoul in a deep hole.

In response, Seoul came out with the Anubis special, a triple DPS based on a Pharmercy over point and a Widowmaker covering from afar. Fits, on Pharah, was a nightmare to deal with and killed Bumper repeatedly, but somehow Vancouver continually contested and got key kills, managing to drain 2 minutes of time that already set the Dynasty irrevocably behind. An errant nanoboost that hit Tobi on Mercy instead of, well, anyone else didn’t help. Moving onto B, Michelle on Sombra invisibly watched as his team was massacred inside of a graviton, translocated away, and then somehow was still chased down by the Titans, who were clearly operating on a whole other level. In the next fight, Bumper found himself isolated, went down, and in the span of 10 seconds the Titans twice barely failed to take out Fits. Instead he stayed alive, the Dynasty burned the Titans off the point, and we headed to a second round.

This time, the Titans contested Ryujehong’s bridge position far more aggressively, and at first blush it didn’t succeed. Bumper went down first, but somehow Twilight was the first to build his ult, and Vancouver traded efficiently to somehow repel the push. The Dynasty spent their entire 4 minute timebank plugging away at Point A, finishing with about 90% progress, but being denied even a final fight when Marve1 on Hammond was trapped in the side room and killed instead of triggering overtime.

We kind of expected a multi-DPS comp from the Titans, both for fun and as a reasonable strategy, but instead they opted for the standard 3/3. They lost one fight, but the idea anyone could deny them for 6 minutes was absurd, and they won with plenty of time to spare.

Titans 2 : Dynasty 0

Map 3: Eichenwalde

The Titans were first on the attack, and executed the highly complex strategy of “run directly at Seoul and kill all of them,” which frankly is all they needed to do to beat this team. If any demons remain from Runaway losing Eichenwalde in the 7th and final game of the APEX Season 2 Grand Finals, they were surely exorcised by this attack run. Seoul only won a single teamfight when Fits connected with a grav and Twilight was still on Ana, so the team was without the healing output of transcendence. Recognizing the issue, Twilight swapped to Zen, and thereafter nothing troubled the Titans’ inexorable march forward. Having fun,Bumper tried to match the famous “Eye of the Kaiser” play, but sadly all he hit this time was a shield. It was another speedrun, this time the 4th-fastest time ever on this map.

The Dynasty’s attack on point A was astonishingly slow, which meant nearly everyone built ults before any engagement actually occurred. When it did, Seominsoo’s early grav was countered by a trans from Ryujehong, Marve1 hit a lucky pin onto Bumper, and the cap came through. But on B, the Titans had an ally: the famed Eichenwalde Bridge. Vancouver’s defensive position was impregnable, and in fight after fight the Dynasty were forced to jump en masse into the creek far below in order to reset. Finally it was the last fight, and instead of choosing to jump, the Titans grabbed their opponents and tossed them aside, staking an emphatic claim to ownership of the bridge and winning the series.

Titans 3 : Dynasty 0

Map 4: Rialto

The Titans went on the attack first, and executed a far more cunning plan–so cunning, in fact, that most people won’t even believe that it was a plan. Haksal stood on the second floor, feeding ult charge to Marve1 on Winston. The Titans then turned their focus to the monkey, forcing out a primal rage, and Haksal spotted his moment to advance forward. Seeing him split forward, Marve1 booped him further away from the Titans, but directly into the Seoul backline, where Haksal was able to get a quick kill on Ryujehong to open up Point A, which then snowballed into stagger kills at the Point C archway. All of this, of course, was perfectly calculated by the Titans and in no way just a thing that happened.

At this point, though, the Titans actually started to struggle. Well, struggle in the context of this series. What happened was this thing that fans of other teams are familiar with, where their team “loses fights.” For about 2:30, the Titans didn’t advance, and then reality returned and they started moving forward again. Seominsoo tried to use grav to lock the Dynasty into their spawn, but was a bit overzealous and did it too early, allowing Seoul to come back and stop the cart right before the end of the map. That, plus the previous time burned, put Vancouver in a rough spot. Bumper’s hail mary shatter didn’t connect, and for the first time in the series, the Titans did not complete a map.

The Dynasty’s attack led with Marve1 again on Winston, and they adjusted their playstyle to go extremely aggressive against the Vancouver defense. Caught flatfooted, the Titans sat dumbfounded as the Winston repeatedly crashed onto them. It wasn’t until halfway into Point C that they managed to stabilize, and at that point they were staring down the barrel of a 4-minute hold. With that in mind, it was time to cycle ultimates. There’s no team in the league that does this quite like Vancouver, who don’t just win every fight, but win them while also getting more ults than they started with. After 3 minutes, Seoul panicked, committing ults to a lost fight and setting up a difficult final push. The Titans had an opening, but couldn’t capitalize on Seominsoo’s grav. Instead it was Fits who got the lockdown, delivering at least one map win to his squad.


Titans 1 : Dynasty 3

Player of the Match

In a match where the Titans generally dominated their competition, everyone had pretty good games. There was one storyline that stuck out, and that was one player’s magical ability to never, ever, ever die.

Jjanu only died 9 times across the entire match, an impossible figure that underscores his brilliant Dva play.

Dva is, of course, a hugely survivable character. With the largest health pool in the game, boosters to exist dangerous scenarios, and defense matrix to block incoming damage, she’s hard to even demech. Add in that you need to kill baby Dva too, and you have a recipe for a low-kill character. But Jjanu has taken that to a whole other level.

My best explanation for Jjanu’s insane k/d ratio is the following. The Titans are a squad that peel aggressively for their supports, and Jjanu is the point person for making sure the healers are protected. Slime, Twilight, and Haksal, recognizing the importance of that service for their own survival, are inclined to repay him by making sure that Jjanu also never dies. Is this accurate? Almost surely not. But I like to imagine that’s what’s going on.

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